Technology and human labor

[Core]

The invisible hand obviously, that explains everything and on top of everything it doesnt sound cool at all.

You didnt explain however how it worked, you didnt cite sources, and most importantly you failed to explain where exactly in current economics it fits in. Cause its not that big of a deal "dude".

 

[Denuo Prince]

And Im not going to. I used the invisible hand to justify my reason of saying every person trys to exploit trade. Since you hopefully know what the invisible hand and i know what it is.

Why should I have to do all that./..because you say so?

My word have nothing to do with the current economy and Im not going to find sources.Deal with it.

 

[Core]

And Im not going to. I used the invisible hand to justify my reason of saying every person trys to exploit trade. Since you hopefully know what the invisible hand and i know what it is.

Why should I have to do all that./..because you say so?

My word have nothing to do with the current economy and Im not going to find sources.Deal with it.

For once.. Just once I wish you take a stance and fight instead of being an evasive little runt.

Fine you win that justifies everything, You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about but you win.

Just as a tidbit. The only invisible hand at play in modern economics is venture capitalism.

And we dont exploit the system. Without us Innovation would take Centuries to get enough capital to launch their idea.

But we are just one tiny part of a huge godless machine that you obviously have not the faintest idea about.

 

[Btmangan]

The American Economy, at least, is suffering from growing pains.

We are still driven by the speculation of Wall Street, and we were being driven, in part, by over-reliance upon the housing bloom, but we still haven't gotten used to post-Industrialism.

It reminds me, in part, of the agricultural revolution, which prompted the European Renaissance. Farming became massively efficient, causing a drop in food prices, which robbed the livelihoods of many small farmers.

So the children of farmers went into the cities to learn trades, to make a living off of the arts, or serve the growing city economies.

But now that Industry is dead and the age of the suburb has begun, our city economies are melting away and Industry is disappearing from our shores (American shores, at least). What is the next stage of economic development for America? I'm unsure. . . all I know is that the transition will be painful for many.

I hope it brings us progress of some kind. . .

 

[Kaze Araki]

The next stage would be a bloody revolution, and a contest of power between the fascist right wing and the socialist left wing.

 

[Core]

Amen to that.

 

[Btmangan]

The next stage would be a bloody revolution, and a contest of power between the fascist right wing and the socialist left wing.

Amazing, I was thinking the same thing and said almost those exact words when discussing it with a friend.

Just like in the years leading up to the civil war, we have two sides faced with a similar problem, but whose worldviews are so alien to one another that compromise became impossible.

And when compromise becomes impossible in the face of a serious problem, violence generally follows.

 

[Denuo Prince]

Amazing, I was thinking the same thing and said almost those exact words when discussing it with a friend.

Just like in the years leading up to the civil war, we have two sides faced with a similar problem, but whose worldviews are so alien to one another that compromise became impossible.

And when compromise becomes impossible in the face of a serious problem, violence generally follows.

I don't get how its that serous. I guess Im missing something in this conversations.

 

[Btmangan]

I don't get how its that serous. I guess Im missing something in this conversations.

I suppose you've missed the growing worldwide economic crisis as well?

 

[Denuo Prince]

No Im aware of that smart guy. I don't see how this civil war is coming in America.

At best a change would maybe be a different economic system or a modified one. The would be interesting , just like in the age of depression .

 

[Kaze Araki]

Amazing, I was thinking the same thing and said almost those exact words when discussing it with a friend.

Just like in the years leading up to the civil war, we have two sides faced with a similar problem, but whose worldviews are so alien to one another that compromise became impossible.

And when compromise becomes impossible in the face of a serious problem, violence generally follows.

A leftist myself, I always goes by the old jargon "a good fascist is a dead fascist".

 

[Btmangan]

No Im aware of that smart guy. I don't see how this civil war is coming in America.

At best a change would maybe be a different economic system or a modified one. The would be interesting , just like in the age of depression .

Being a smartass has it's advantages ;-D

The problem that I see is redirection of anger.

People are angry about their economic woes, but instead of voting for a changed economic system, many Americans are convinced by one propagandizing media outlet or another, to redirect their anger to the blacks, to Obamacare, to socialists, and crap like that. While the original problems just continue to get worse.

So long as anger is continuously redirected towards trivial things, the problems won't get solved, the economic situation will deteriorate further, leading to further misdirected anger.

A leftist myself, I always goes by the old jargon "a good fascist is a dead fascist".

Fucking Tea party is such a fascist movement.

Look at all the nationalistic iconography in their message. Reminds me of Mussolini.

 

[-lexus-]

Robots are the future and they are taking over human jobs. That is what the industrial revolution brought us. Thats how it started, and thats how it will continue.

Yeah yeah, jobs will disappear. Then think of it, so does the number of people available for such jobs. The west has a decreasing labor force and shrinking population. Robots will be required to take over the tasks that are vital but simply arent enough humans for. Think about it, the West is going to face a huge problem with its aging workforce. The baby boomers are getting older, and that means we need massive amounts of labor going to health care. People who are going to take care of these old people. But yeah, who wants to change diapers all day from stinky old people when you can do an awesome and much better paying job somewhere else? So, not enough care takers, elderly care gets turned into fabric work in order to meet the basic requirements to care for these people, and often that isnt even possible. Solution? Robots.

Robotize beds, so they detect when a diaper needs to be changed, when someone needs to be turned around, etc. They can take over sooo many of the menial shitty tasks that humans are still doing. And that creates time for nurses to do things like give actual attention to these people so they dont feel entirely abandoned. Initial costs will be high, but long term benefits are huge.

Furthermore, since our technology is getting ever more sophisticated, where chips are getting smaller and smaller, humans will get replaced in the factories. Simply because they cant work there anymore. Same thing happened with the car industry. Cars are build on assembly lines. That used by human work, now its done mostly by robots and a few guys that check on the robots. I believe this will continue to happen in a lot of sectors, mostly the more industrial sectors. I dont think its a bad thing though.

 

[Btmangan]

Robots are the future and they are taking over human jobs. That is what the industrial revolution brought us. Thats how it started, and thats how it will continue.

Yeah yeah, jobs will disappear. Then think of it, so does the number of people available for such jobs. The west has a decreasing labor force and shrinking population. Robots will be required to take over the tasks that are vital but simply arent enough humans for. Think about it, the West is going to face a huge problem with its aging workforce. The baby boomers are getting older, and that means we need massive amounts of labor going to health care. People who are going to take care of these old people. But yeah, who wants to change diapers all day from stinky old people when you can do an awesome and much better paying job somewhere else? So, not enough care takers, elderly care gets turned into fabric work in order to meet the basic requirements to care for these people, and often that isnt even possible. Solution? Robots.

Robotize beds, so they detect when a diaper needs to be changed, when someone needs to be turned around, etc. They can take over sooo many of the menial shitty tasks that humans are still doing. And that creates time for nurses to do things like give actual attention to these people so they dont feel entirely abandoned. Initial costs will be high, but long term benefits are huge.

Furthermore, since our technology is getting ever more sophisticated, where chips are getting smaller and smaller, humans will get replaced in the factories. Simply because they cant work there anymore. Same thing happened with the car industry. Cars are build on assembly lines. That used by human work, now its done mostly by robots and a few guys that check on the robots. I believe this will continue to happen in a lot of sectors, mostly the more industrial sectors. I dont think its a bad thing though.

If we will soon have computers more powerful than the human brain, wouldn't it be only natural for the human race to inevitably transfer their consciousness into a computer network?

We could artificially experience all the pleasures of life, but have no fear of death or want.

 

[Denuo Prince]

Being a smartass has it's advantages ;-D

The problem that I see is redirection of anger.

People are angry about their economic woes, but instead of voting for a changed economic system, many Americans are convinced by one propagandizing media outlet or another, to redirect their anger to the blacks, to Obamacare, to socialists, and crap like that. While the original problems just continue to get worse.

So long as anger is continuously redirected towards trivial things, the problems won't get solved, the economic situation will deteriorate further, leading to further misdirected anger.



Fucking Tea party is such a fascist movement.

Look at all the nationalistic iconography in their message. Reminds me of Mussolini.

Thats politics. Its the politicals leaders job to point out a target for our frustrations. This is as much for our sake as it is for the political leaders. Its just how life works. We always are told of an enemy that is the cause of our problem simply so we can ft iinto our herd mentality and complain about them. never going to changes.

 

[Core]

Cant change the current economic system without letting it collapse upon itself. The current economic crisis is also not not growing. It was never that huge to begin with.

Rumors of its demise have been greatly exaggerated.

The problem isnt the system its the people. They wanted this system, not an equality system, not a destiny system and not a captivity system. They wanted capitalism. The dream system.
The dream system only works if everyone spends all their money almost hand-to-mouth style(excluding the already rich) and everyone believes the system and the stockmarket will be at an all time high... stop spending, the influx stops, the jobs dissappear, and voila crisis.

Anyway robots in the bipedal form as fully autonomous things... not likely anytime soon.

For those who mistake my intent:

The problem(current crisis) has been there since the very foundation of this economic system. Not something that can be changed overnight.

 

[-lexus-]

If we will soon have computers more powerful than the human brain, wouldn't it be only natural for the human race to inevitably transfer their consciousness into a computer network?

We could artificially experience all the pleasures of life, but have no fear of death or want.

Eventually maybe yes. But not for a long while. While computers are fast and good at crunching numbers, they are also incredibly limited in their abilities.

Even when the singularity happens, it will take quite a while before computer brains have evolved far enough to be a competitor for the human mind.